Executive Q&A: Bernt Bodal


The Norway-born executive achieved national prominence earlier this year when he appeared on an episode of CBS's Undercover Boss, taking on tough assignments like hauling fish on board a catcher-processor in the Bering Sea and cleaning fish guts from equipment at a processing factory in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Bodal is no stranger to hard work. He started in the fishing business as a deckhand and worked his way up to CEO and majority shareholder of American Seafoods, a company with more than 1,600 employees and annual revenues of about $600 million. He is also a bass guitarist who has played with Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam and Roger Daltrey of The Who.

Undercover Boss: They contacted us last summer. I didn’t really know about it, but colleagues thought it would be good exposure for the company. I looked at a couple of episodes and liked what I saw. I thought it would be good to see the company from a different perspective. I’m happy we did it. They say 15.8 million households watched it.

Lessons: I always knew we had a dedicated workforce. This certainly reinforced that. I used to do some of these jobs myself more than 25 years ago. I had forgotten how physically demanding they are. I’m in pretty good shape—I work out several times a week—but it’s really not an old man’s game. I’m surprised from other [Undercover Boss] shows how many CEOs don’t know how their company is run from the ground up. At American Seafoods, many of us [in management] have spent several years at sea, so we understand what goes on on the boats.

Early years: I grew up outside Oslo, Norway, where my father was a tram conductor. We weren’t poor but we certainly weren’t well to do. We didn’t have a car until I was 10. We couldn’t afford a television. I became a professional musician for five years. Our band [Host] recorded three albums.

Immigration: My mother and stepfather moved to the United States before me. They had connections in the fishing business. I wanted to try something new, so I worked as a deckhand on a fishing boat and became a U.S. citizen. I became captain after a year. I spent 13 years fishing in Alaska, and became part owner of a trawler. I joined American Seafoods in 1990 as a minority partner and became president of the company in 1994. The American Fisheries Act of 1999 prohibited foreign ownership [of fishing vessels] of more than 25 percent. Our company at the time was Norwegian owned. We [management] got an exclusive right to buy the company from the owners for about $475 million, with financial backing from a New York equity firm. I now own 67 percent of the company.

Management: I learned everything on the job. When you are captain of a factory trawler with 100 people on board and at sea for weeks and months at a time, you have to be everything from CEO to psychiatrist. You are physically catching fish and managing people. It’s a great way to learn how to manage and motivate people.

Lessons: Always hire people smarter than yourself and never micromanage them. Being a CEO is like being a coach. Your role is not to score points; it’s to motivate the players to score points. Some CEOs want to be involved in every detail and that’s not a good way to motivate people.

Culture: We have no office politics here. The whole executive team has been here for at least 10 years, and, in some cases, 15 or 20 years. We hang out together. We don’t really believe in hierarchy.

Strategy: When I joined the company, we had two vessels, but we expanded until we had 16 boats. In that old “Olympics-style” fishery, it was all about catching as much fish as fast as possible. After the American Fisheries Act, we were told exactly how much fish we were allowed to catch, so it was all about maximizing the value from each fish. We scrapped a lot of boats and became more efficient. Today we get more than double the protein from each fish compared to what we got in the early 1990s.

Growth: Even with limits on our fish catch, we can grow organically by about 5 percent a year. We have had steady cash flow over the years. But there is more growth potential in the value-added side of the businesses.

Diversification: Don’t remind me of the catfish business. We were very glad to get out of that business three years ago. There were a lot of independent farmers there who didn’t care what the market was doing. But we’ve been building our value-added business in New Bedford. We take our fish and make it into products for retail or food services. We are always looking for opportunities. We just acquired Good Harbor Fillet [which makes fillets and fish sticks for retail and restaurants]. We are about to launch a new line of nutraceutical supplements made from very high-grade fish oil from Alaskan pollock. We’re also less focused on any one market. Seventy percent of our sales used to be in Asia; now, it’s about one third Asia, one third Europe and the rest here.

Recession: Our products aren’t high-value products like king crab, halibut or salmon, so even in a recession, there is always demand. Seafood is being more and more recognized as a healthy choice, so there is strong demand. Although prices did come down a bit, we didn’t lay off anybody.

Fishery: We had extraordinarily good fishing this year. We’ve seen more fish than we’ve seen for decades. The scientists say we have some strong years entering the fishery.

Music: In the last few years, I’ve done a lot more music. I play in a band called White Sox with people like Alan White [the drummer] from Yes. I’ve also played on stage with Sammy Hagar and have done four shows with Roger Daltrey. I play every day for about an hour. These guys don’t let you play with them if you don’t know what you are doing.

Flying: I have an Airline Transport Pilot rating.

We [American Seafoods Group] have a Falcon 2000 [business jet] I always captain myself. I fly around the world because we operate in Southeast Asia, China and Europe. I’ve flown more than 7,000 hours and I’m type-rated on numerous types of jets.

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